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Criterions I Dislike

by nightgoat72

Created 08/07/12

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Some I hate, others I just dislike.

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  • By furkan98
    August 16, 2012
    05:26 PM

    I am surpised that you dislike A Woman Is a Woman.It's one of the best films of Godard,according to me his most enjoyable film.I can decide that you dislike Godard.
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    • By nightgoat72
      August 21, 2012
      01:53 AM

      Actually, I really like Godard in general, but he's very hit or miss for me. I love Pierrot le fou and Breathless, and really like Band of Outsiders and Masculin feminin. I also enjoy lots of others to varying degrees, like Notre musique, Week End, Tout va bien, and on and on...

  • By Narrator
    August 25, 2012
    08:29 AM

    I disagree with you on a wide majority of these (how can someone not like, let alone hate, Seven Samurai?), but I'll give you A Safe Place. That is an absolute mess, and not in a fun way.
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  • By pleh?
    August 28, 2012
    08:39 PM

    I like these kind of lists, but wish you'd elaborate
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    • By nightgoat72
      September 12, 2012
      09:30 AM

      I probably will eventually. But for now, just putting the list together took enough time.

  • By Kurt
    August 29, 2012
    09:04 AM

    Why don't you just put I hate and/or dislike the whole collection...??? What the hell is wrong with you. Tons of the films you listed are great, but to each his own.
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    • By Asa-Nisi-Masa
      September 12, 2012
      03:11 PM

      i agree the majority of these films are defining of the company, and how could you dislike harold and maude or last year at marienbad or last picture show? you certainly have strange taste

  • By Sam
    August 31, 2012
    11:42 PM

    I haven't seen a few of these, and a lot the films you list here I like a great deal, but I want to commend you for standing up against Seven Samurai and The Last Picture Show because I think they're terrible, and I was beginning to think I was the only person in the world who felt that way!
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    • By nightgoat72
      September 12, 2012
      09:30 AM

      Haha I hear you, I will never understand the love for Seven Samurai.

  • By Tjaden S.
    September 03, 2012
    03:36 PM

    You either dislike or hate a lot of films that are corner stones of what the Criterion Collection represents. I'm not sure why you "like" the Criterion Collection if this is a serious list.
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    • By nightgoat72
      September 12, 2012
      09:29 AM

      Because I love a lot of other films they release and greatly admire them for the effort they put into everything they release.

  • By ggfanjase
    October 15, 2012
    07:05 PM

    I was beyond bored during Solaris, good to know I'm not the only one who disliked it. Interesting sci-fi with curious ideas that runs much too slowly and for FAR too long. In the end, I didn't care where it ended up. I can see why that reasoning would lead to someone hating Harold and Maude but I still love it despite it basically giving birth to the Wes Anderson/hipster generation.
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  • By Johnathan Birks
    October 25, 2012
    05:34 PM

    WRT "Last Year at Marienbad": Can't agree more. Possibly the most pretentious film ever made. Certainly the most pretentious I've ever seen, and I've seen plenty of pretentious films. ("Vampyr" I would put in this category, but it would be more properly deemed perversely eclectic.) Strongly disagree about "Seven Samurai" but Kurasawa is admittedly an acquired taste.
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    • By nightgoat72
      October 27, 2012
      01:25 AM

      "Possibly the most pretentious film ever made. Certainly the most pretentious I've ever seen," Like you said, could not agree with you more. I've never been so bored in my life. I don't even know why I finished the damn thing.

    • By jerryjuiceteria
      March 10, 2013
      05:17 AM

      i think that calling 'vampyr' pretentious is pretentious. dreyer was a pioneer and to call the work of visual poetry and innovation that is 'vampyr' pretentious from a modern standpoint just seems kind of obnoxious and irreverent. also i really don't see the point of lists like this. the criterion collection is all about film appreciation and to spend time making a list like this which still is mostly devoid of ideas strikes me as useless and egotistical. if you're so bored by all of the creative genius that went into the making of some of the films on this list maybe you should consider that your opinions seem pretty goddamn boring themselves. the idea of putting a list like this up in public on the criterion collection website and not backing your ideas with anything but claims about the value of your own opinion is vapid as fuck. i have no personal beef with you nor do i have any cause to insult your intelligence but based on whats here this is nothing if not contrarian and attention-starved

    • By nightgoat72
      April 02, 2013
      10:22 PM

      @jerryjuiceteria: I actually never called Vampyr pretentious. I simply stated I was bored by it. And I don't really buy the argument against putting up lists like this. There are tons of lists on this site of Criterion films people love (I have some myself), but no one complains that so many of those lists don't have detailed explanations about why they LIKE those films. You make it sound like I should have to justify disliking a film simply because others like it. These are just my own honest, personal opinions. I don't see how that's being contrarian. And if you'll notice, I have a different list (considerably longer than this one, I might add) up of Criterion films I love.

  • By DUDElaundrey
    November 27, 2012
    06:12 PM

    terrible listt.. let me guess, and please correct me if im worng, ur between 19 and 24 years old, always been interested in cinema, but really indulged maybe the past 2 or 3 years. definitley attended film school for a year or so... in a few years, u will appreciate these films. there r a few u named that i dislike, but some taht u added to this list make u sound completley unintellignet. especially sense u dont even say why or what u didnt like. aside from (slow, boring, pretensious)... 5 or 6 years ago i really started collecting films and studying them. after a year or 2 i thought i knew everything, and would of put a few of the titles in a dislike list. however, the more u learn and watch, the more u understand. adding a film like 7th sam to a list of bad movies is ammusing. i understand its ur opinion, but its wrong. please take careful note of this.. 'opinions are based on knowledge, so even tho everyone is intitled to their opinion, opinions can b wrong.' i dont even know why i comment on stuff like this, cause by the time u realize u sound like a pretensious film school hero, many years will have passed, and u will not be able to find me to appologize,,, and if im wrong, if ur a 46 year old film director whos been in the buisness for years, and these are ur opinions u are a hack and part of the problem with current cinema. sorry. if sum1 said this to me 5 or 6 years ago in my younger 20's, i would think their an asshole. now, i realized i didnt have the knowledge to appreciate. this is why i dont blog on imdb. cause they are mostly morons. it is fine to look for a certain thing in films for it to be fulfilling to u. but to actually think sum of these are bad films, is plain unedicated. u know how dumb first year film school students sound. they will watch a micheal mann movie and think it sucks (slow pace, bad lighting, strange audio. they think micheal mann doesnt know how to make a movie, but after a year of schooling, they could, they dont realize the things they think were done out of lack of talent or ability is actually done because of their overwhelming superiority of understanding of what cinema is. so i know i sound harsh. but i should, i sstill cringe when i think about the shit i used to say years ago, similuar to what u said. obviously i understand not enjoying salo or sweet movie. but most of the films u listed here are on most peoples top tens. u think u figured it out? like people who eat sleep and breath cinema all day, who compile list, great list, and cite great films for different reasons really dont know what they r talking about? maybe u r too vapid for bergman or kurosawa or tarkovsky. and believe me, i love pure popcorn cinema too. im just gonna stop, im sure reading this enlightend u none
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    • By DUDElaundrey
      November 27, 2012
      06:16 PM

      oh and i type fast. so please, if u respond, instead of saying "im uneducated, u couldnt even spell.... or ur grammers off".. spare me, say something that actually has to do with what i said. dont take the idiots way out and hastily point out a grammar mistake because u have no idea how to respond intelligently

  • By DUDElaundrey
    November 27, 2012
    06:19 PM

    u know, i went and looked at ur profile, u like a lot of good films and directors. maybe u really just have odd taste, or completley were dazed on 38 xanax when u watched sum of them and dont really remember them, so i appologize, i guess. and yes, i am a poumpus pretensious asshole
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    • By nightgoat72
      December 29, 2012
      10:06 PM

      Hahaha you know what, it's okay. I appreciate your passion, man. I think it's pretty natural for anyone who is truly enthusiastic about cinema to get a little pompous and excited every now and then. Kinda comes with the territory. As for your guesses about me, you're both right and wrong. I am 24, but I have never been to and never have any interest in attending film school. I HAVE always been interested in cinema, but I have been "really indulging" for longer than 2 or 3 years - I started to become seriously immersed in it when I was about 16 or 18, though of course my interests and tastes have changed considerably since then. It's only natural that I've grown in a lot of ways since then. I assure you, I don't just dole out "uneducated" opinions on films out of ignorance. As you said, I just have "odd taste," and have a very hard time finding others who think like I do and like what I like. In fact, I never really have (with the notable exception of my wife, though we do have some rare disagreements on certain movies). I have strong negative reactions to a lot of films that many people (and furthermore, many people whose opinions and taste I generally respect) love. I'm just used to that. I also love a hell of a lot of films that pretty much everyone hates. Again, I've just accepted this now. My approach to films has always been that there is no objective good or bad, that no film is ever above criticism and that it's always perfectly okay to hate a movie no matter what the general consensus is. I view reaction to film (and all art) as something deeply personal, rooted in who you are and what you believe in as a person. I think childhood and life experience plays a major role in shaping what interests you in movies and art. That's why certain things you said I completely disagree with, things like "i understand its ur opinion, but its wrong" and "u think u figured it out? like people who eat sleep and breath cinema all day, who compile list, great list, and cite great films for different reasons really dont know what they r talking about? maybe u r too vapid for bergman or kurosawa or tarkovsky." It's not like that at all. I'm not saying I'm right and anyone else is wrong. I am merely stating my personal, subjective reactions to these films. I'm not saying they're objectively bad (for the most part, anyway...), I just do not respond to them as a human being. But as you can see from my profile, I'm not just some attention-starved contrarian out to make ignorant, uneducated point - I also love a lot of films that are pretty much universally acclaimed. I believe what I'm saying, I like what I like. And again, I can appreciate your passion. I've always gravitated and related to people who know what they're talking about and have a unique, unusual taste in movies, people who take a philosophical approach to film criticism. People like Armond White and Michael Haneke. And I feel your pain when it comes to IMDB and message boards and whatnot. Absolutely teeming with uneducated idiots who pass of their ignorant opinions like they mean something. Don't worry - I am not one to resort to "the idiot's way out" - I always try to respond to what someone is SAYING instead of just resorting to a cheap argument or slinging unrelated mud to discredit the person. That's what the morons on IMDB do. "the more u learn and watch, the more u understand." Now there's a sentence I completely agree with and can totally get behind. Even though I look at film subjectively (and I think everyone should), there is a lot to be said for education by experience. The only way you can ever have informed, educated, valid opinions on any film is to, simply put, watch a hell of a lot films, and analyze what it is that you like and dislike about them, what works and what doesn't work. I have no patience for people who pose as cinephiles but have no idea what they're talking about, those very people you refer to that attend film school for a year and think that makes them an expert. Armond White has this great quote (which I'm gonna have to paraphrase) where he said something along the lines of the divide that has arisen between educated film critics and amateur posers has lowered film criticism to a dismal state. Ignorance is now looked at as "cool" or "rebellious" and no one is interested in the education and experience that comes with being a true student of cinema. And that is goddamn tragic. These amateurs aren't interested in the CONTENT of films, not interested in the subtext or the craftsmanship - they simply take these films at face level and don't have the background of knowledge necessary to competently assess the movies they're watching. In my opinion, they're basically infants in terms of film criticism. I will concede on one point - it's been a very long time since I've seen Seven Samurai, and to be fair, I should probably give it a second chance. That first viewing was just so dull that I've never wanted to go back. But hey, I had a lot of stupid opinions back then that I disagree with now, so you never know.

    • By nightgoat72
      December 29, 2012
      10:13 PM

      Oh, and if you're still not convinced I've seen enough to know what I'm talking about, I'll just throw this out there: my DVD/Blu-ray collection is about twice the size of yours. ;)

  • By http://www.laredoutecode.fr/
    December 12, 2012
    01:17 PM

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